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Bernie Sanders, that’s who.

The speech he gave on October 9, 2002 on the floor of the House of Representatives is a MUST read [bold/italic emphasis mine]:

Mr. Speaker, I thank my friend from New Jersey for yielding me this time.

Mr. Speaker, I do not think any Member of this body disagrees that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant, a murderer, and a man who has started two wars. He is clearly someone who cannot be trusted or believed. The question, Mr. Speaker, is not whether we like Saddam Hussein or not. The question is whether he represents an imminent threat to the American people and whether a unilateral invasion of Iraq will do more harm than good.

Mr. Speaker, the front page of The Washington Post today reported that all relevant U.S. intelligence agencies now say, despite what we have heard from the White House, that “Saddam Hussein is unlikely to initiate a chemical or biological attack against the United States.” Even more importantly, our intelligence agencies say that should Saddam conclude that a U.S.-led attack could no longer be deterred, he might at that point launch a chemical or biological counterattack. In other words, there is more danger of an attack on the United States if we launch a precipitous invasion.

Mr. Speaker, I do not know why the President feels, despite what our intelligence agencies are saying, that it is so important to pass a resolution of this magnitude this week and why it is necessary to go forward without the support of the United Nations and our major allies including those who are fighting side by side with us in the war on terrorism.

But I do feel that as a part of this process, the President is ignoring some of the most pressing economic issues affecting the well-being of ordinary Americans. There has been virtually no public discussion about the stock market’s loss of trillions of dollars over the last few years and that millions of Americans have seen the retirement benefits for which they have worked their entire lives disappear. When are we going to address that issue? This country today has a $340 billion trade deficit, and we have lost 10 percent of our manufacturing jobs in the last 4 years, 2 million decent-paying jobs. The average American worker today is working longer hours for lower wages than 25 years ago. When are we going to address that issue?

Mr. Speaker, poverty in this country is increasing and median family income is declining. Throughout this country family farmers are being driven off of the land; and veterans, the people who put their lives on the line to defend us, are unable to get the health care and other benefits they were promised because of government underfunding. When are we going to tackle these issues and many other important issues that are of such deep concern to Americans?

Mr. Speaker, in the brief time I have, let me give five reasons why I am opposed to giving the President a blank check to launch a unilateral invasion and occupation of Iraq and why I will vote against this resolution. One, I have not heard any estimates of how many young American men and women might die in such a war or how many tens of thousands of women and children in Iraq might also be killed. As a caring Nation, we should do everything we can to prevent the horrible suffering that a war will cause. War must be the last recourse in international relations, not the first. Second, I am deeply concerned about the precedent that a unilateral invasion of Iraq could establish in terms of international law and the role of the United Nations. If President Bush believes that the U.S. can go to war at any time against any nation, what moral or legal objection could our government raise if another country chose to do the same thing?

Third, the United States is now involved in a very difficult war against international terrorism as we learned tragically on September 11. We are opposed by Osama bin Laden and religious fanatics who are prepared to engage in a kind of warfare that we have never experienced before. I agree with Brent Scowcroft, Republican former National Security Advisor for President George Bush, Sr., who stated, “An attack on Iraq at this time would seriously jeopardize, if not destroy, the global counterterrorist campaign we have undertaken.”

Fourth, at a time when this country has a $6 trillion national debt and a growing deficit, we should be clear that a war and a long-term American occupation of Iraq could be extremely expensive.

Fifth, I am concerned about the problems of so-called unintended consequences. Who will govern Iraq when Saddam Hussein is removed and what role will the U.S. play in ensuing a civil war that could develop in that country? Will moderate governments in the region who have large Islamic fundamentalist populations be overthrown and replaced by extremists? Will the bloody conflict between Israel and the Palestinian Authority be exacerbated? And these are just a few of the questions that remain unanswered.

If a unilateral American invasion of Iraq is not the best approach, what should we do? In my view, the U.S. must work with the United Nations to make certain within clearly defined timelines that the U.N. inspectors are allowed to do their jobs. These inspectors should undertake an unfettered search for Iraqi weapons of mass destruction and destroy them when found, pursuant to past U.N. resolutions. If Iraq resists inspection and elimination of stockpiled weapons, we should stand ready to assist the U.N. in forcing compliance.

[End.]

This is the man whom the Hillary camp love to claim is so uninterested and unqualified with regard to international affairs.

Here’s the video, worth a watch:

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4472601/bernie-sanders-persian-gulf-war

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Sure, world domination/geopolitics of the US and some special allies have also played a role. There are a lot of reasons why some were for the invasion based on lies, important in the case of Clinton II is from my perspectiv only to see that she is part of the problem and in no way an solution.

Jill Stein gave TYT a longer Interview some weeks back were she is speaking about some of the real problems, inclusive world domination, money inside the system, ClintonII…and some possible solutions. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dl_-e9kbsFA

 

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Sure, world domination/geopolitics of the US and some special allies have also played a role. There are a lot of reasons why some were for the invasion based on lies, important in the case of Clinton II is from my perspectiv only to see that she is part of the problem and in no way an solution.

Jill Stein gave TYT a longer Interview some weeks back were she is speaking about some of the real problems, inclusive world domination, money inside the system, ClintonII…and some possible solutions. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dl_-e9kbsFA

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No idea why you are bringing up Greenwald, so only short. I expect him to leave theintercept as soon as his freedom to work is minimised.

Coming back to the topic, heared CLintonII had a meeting with mom and childs at the convention? Was for sure a warm momemt and a lot of selfies with rolemodel ClintonII. Did she lose a word about children/mothers in Iraq? http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/islamic-state-how-the-is-trains-child-soldiers-a-1103941.html

Or some km/miles away? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/29/us-airstrikes-isis-death-toll

 

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They were shouting because people were demonstrating and voicing their concerns about the pro-war propaganda of the Clintons- the DNC moved them to the back of the convention hall and tried to break them up and threatened to kick them out.  When none of that worked, the others tried shouting over them.

 

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Yes the mediapundits from CNN and other outlets are selling ClintonII like hot cheese, but you can help yourself and others.

To the Commission on Presidential Debates:

We, the undersigned, demand that the Presidential debates include all Presidential candidates who have qualified for enough state ballots to be a choice for a majority of voters.

Polls show that 50% of Americans do not identify as either Democrat or Republican. This means that the Presidential debates as currently managed are locking out the diverse voices and views of half of all Americans.

The Commission on Presidential Debates may sound like an impartial, public body, but it is actually a private organization run by the Democratic and Republican parties. When these two establishment parties took over the debates in 1989, the League of Women Voters withdrew its sponsorship, rightly observing that the “unprecedented control” demanded by the Democrats and Republicans would make the debates “campaign-trail charades” that would “perpetrate fraud on the American voter”.

The need for “more voices and choices” can be met by including all candidates who are on the ballots for a majority of voters, a number that has typically ranged from 4 to 6 candidates in total.

Voters have a right to hear directly from their possible choices for the highest office in the land. These choices should reflect the diversity of American political opinion, and not be restricted to two candidates nominated by establishment parties awash in corporate donations and billionaire support.”

http://www.jill2016.com/openthedebatespetition

 

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They maybe in the dark when it comes to the democratic party, but they are certainly seeing clearly for who Hillary is. I was actually kind of surprised to learn that.

Watch the video that was filmed at the DNC:


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Bit late, but happy Birthday Mr Snowden and thank you again for your courage to step forward.

MrSnowden @ Roskilde Festival https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCB-H7lg6i8

Oliver Stone speaking about MrSnowden, his new movie and the situation in the US.

Mr Snowden was also participating in the comic com debate, but I couldn´t find the video so here is a shorty from theguardian and an additional article from theintercept.

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2016/jul/22/edward-snowden-comic-con-oliver-stone-film

https://theintercept.com/2016/07/21/edward-snowdens-new-research-aims-to-keep-smartphones-from-betraying-their-owners/

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A short interview with Jill Stein.

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John1940 wrote:

Werderano wrote:

Bit late, but happy Birthday Mr Snowden and thank you again for your courage to step forward.

MrSnowden @ Roskilde Festival https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCB-H7lg6i8

Oliver Stone speaking about MrSnowden, his new movie and the situation in the US.


The film release seems to be delayed to 16 Sep 2016 according to this:

http://collider.com/snowden-movie-release-date-oliver-stone/

Mr Snowden was also participating in the comic com debate, but I couldn´t find the video so here is a shorty from theguardian and an additional article from theintercept.

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2016/jul/22/edward-snowden-comic-con-oliver-stone-film

https://theintercept.com/2016/07/21/edward-snowdens-new-research-aims-to-keep-smartphones-from-betraying-their-owners/

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A short interview with Jill Stein.


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Thank you for adding this information.

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Two more links about Jill Stein and the greens, because there is not much in the msm

http://www.democracynow.org/2016/7/26/jill_stein_or_hillary_clinton_green

http://www.democracynow.org/2016/7/18/why_a_member_of_the_democratic

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World’s largest carbon producers face landmark human rights case

Filipino government body gives 47 ‘carbon majors’ 45 days to respond to allegations of human rights violations resulting from climate change”

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/jul/27/worlds-largest-carbon-producers-face-landmark-human-rights-case

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https://theintercept.com/2016/07/27/in-secret-battle-surveillance-court-reined-in-fbi-use-of-information-obtained-from-phone-calls/

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Would prefer that the US would be a nation of law and that MrSnowden could be in the US to work with Jill Stein on a better future.

“”@Snowden has revealed great violations of our civil liberties. I would invite him into my administration as a member of my cabinet” – Jill” https://twitter.com/drjillstein/status/753028744940494849

But droneking Obama I prefers a witchhunt on whistleblowers and pressfreedom and confiscated his passport as MrSnowden was on an Russian Airport. So at the moment MrSnowden can only participate online, see the first link about the Roskilde festival where 100 000 were singing “Happy Birhtday” for him, he is also working on different projects like the example in the opener and is a member of the “Freedom of the press foundation”. https://freedom.press/about/board Would love to welcome him in Germany or even better you guys in the US vote a President that respects the US constitution and the Human rights convention, like Jill Stein so that MrSnowden can come home without facing a political showprocess.

“Hillary Clinton Talks Tough on Shadow Banking, But Blackstone Is Celebrating at the DNC”

https://theintercept.com/2016/07/28/hillary-clinton-talks-tough-on-shadow-banking-but-blackstone-is-celebrating-at-the-dnc/

“Hillary Clinton Talks Tough on Shadow Banking, But Blackstone Is Celebrating at the DNC”

https://theintercept.com/2016/07/28/hillary-clinton-talks-tough-on-shadow-banking-but-blackstone-is-celebrating-at-the-dnc/

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“Dangerous Propaganda: Network Close To NATO Military Leader Fueled Ukraine Conflict

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General Breedlove’s departure from his NATO post in May has done little to placate anyone in the German government. After all, the man Breedlove regarded as an obstacle, President Obama, is nearing the end of his second term. His possible successor, the Democrat Hillary Clinton, is considered a hardliner vis-a-vis Russia.

What’s more: Nuland, a diplomat who shares many of the same views as Breedlove, could move into an even more important role after the November election — she’s considered a potential candidate for secretary of state.”

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/breedlove-network-sought-weapons-deliveries-for-ukraine-a-1104837.html

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“The Jill Stein campaign is working nationally with state Green Parties and teams of volunteers to give all voters the chance to vote for Jill and the Green Party in 2016. Help us overcome ballot-access laws that keep good candidates off the ballot!

We’re already on the ballot in 23 states (including the District of Columbia). But we need your help to get on the ballot in the remaining states listed below. A list of Ballot Access Coordinators can be found here.

Especially high-priority states are Nevada, Pennsylvania, Missouri, Nebraska, Kansas, and Connecticut.

If you live in a state where we’re already on the ballot, you might be allowed to travel to a neighboring state to petition—if the state law allows. Please check in with the specific state’s coordinator(s) to find out and to plan.

You can also help by volunteering to make phone calls.

Wherever you live, you can help by donating to the effort and signing up to volunteer. Also see the specific volunteer positions we need for ballot-access efforts.”

http://www.jill2016.com/ballot_access

http://www.jill2016.com/phonebanking

http://www.jill2016.com/ballot_access_coordinators

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HS Wells wrote:

I think we are heading for the socialism, am I correct? Probably we can get free food, free housing, and free health care. In socialism, there may be no crimes , which, found in capitalistic society. After you lost your job, and you don’t have to worry about finding job and support your family anymore. Judging people based on money like in capitalistic society could be over in the future. Capitalism only brings divisions like BLM, and politician divisions in RNC, DNC. It only gets worse through divisions through race and gender. In the future, India-Tibet-North Korea-Cuba has a high possibility chance that lead the socialism in the future and they may be our only hope. Why don’t we give them a chance ? Capitalism societies are too extreme, when people are try to take away money from others. Like some one says, “Capitalism is a SIN” . but the problem is how we able to going to solve for the rich ? There is nothing wrong with capitalism, but we have to fix current “bad capitalism” in order to advance to next capitalism. Hopefully, we may still drive our own car, and live in our own house with building walls and gates, but this could become problems for the rich. Many rich people will become chaos and doesn’t wish to live in this socialism, and they may wish to build their own empire.
There are plenty of governments around the world (particularly in western and northern Europe) that work successfully on socialist principles, but generally they accept that an element of capitalism is required in order to create growth and general wealth.

Even in those countries, stuff does not come for free, someone needs to pay for the welfare and healthcare, but generally people pay according to their means. Life at the bottom of these societies is not comfortable, but is not as miserable as it might be without the welfare/healthcare. There is still crime, but there are fewer pressures to push people into crime.

http://www.theamericanmirror.com/video-cnn-wolf-blitzer-drinks-wine-dances-celebrate-hillarys-nomination/

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Came across this after Bills speech last night.

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If you’re under 50 you really need to read this. If you’re over 50, you lived through it, so share it with those under 50. Amazing to me how much I had forgotten!

When Bill Clinton was president, he allowed Hillary to assume authority over a health care reform. Even after threats and intimidation, she couldn’t even get a vote in a democratic controlled congress. This fiasco cost the American taxpayers about $13 million in cost for studies, promotion, and other efforts.

Then President Clinton gave Hillary authority over selecting a female attorney general. Her first two selections were Zoe Baird and Kimba Wood – both were forced to withdraw their names from consideration. Next she chose Janet Reno – husband Bill described her selection as “my worst mistake.” Some may not remember that Reno made the decision to gas David Koresh and the Branch Davidian religious sect in Waco, Texas resulting in dozens of deaths of women and children.

Husband Bill allowed Hillary to make recommendations for the head of the Civil Rights Commission. Lani Guanier was her selection. When a little probing led to the discovery of Ms. Guanier’s radical views, her name had to be withdrawn from consideration.

Apparently a slow learner, husband Bill allowed Hillary to make some more recommendations. She chose former law partners Web Hubbel for the Justice Department, Vince Foster for the White House staff, and William Kennedy for the Treasury Department. Her selections went well: Hubbel went to prison, Foster (presumably) committed suicide, and Kennedy was forced to resign.

Many younger votes will have no knowledge of “Travelgate.” Hillary wanted to award unfettered travel contracts to Clinton friend Harry Thompson – and the White House Travel Office refused to comply. She managed to have them reported to the FBI and fired. This ruined their reputations, cost them their jobs, and caused a thirty-six month investigation. Only one employee, Billy Dale was charged with a crime, and that of the enormous crime of mixing personal and White House funds. A jury acquitted him of any crime in less than two hours.

Still not convinced of her ineptness, Hillary was allowed to recommend a close Clinton friend, Craig Livingstone, for the position of Director of White House security. When Livingstone was investigated for the improper access of about 900 FBI files of Clinton enemies (Filegate) and the widespread use of drugs by White House staff, suddenly Hillary and the president denied even knowing Livingstone, and of course, denied knowledge of drug use in the White House.

Following this debacle, the FBI closed its White House Liaison Office after more than thirty years of service to seven presidents.

Next, when women started coming forward with allegations of sexual harassment and rape by Bill Clinton, Hillary was put in charge of the #$%$ eruption” and scandal defense. Some of her more notable decisions in the debacle were:

She urged her husband not to settle the Paula Jones lawsuit. After the Starr investigation they settled with Ms. Jones.

She refused to release the Whitewater documents, which led to the appointment of Ken Starr as Special Prosecutor.

After $80 million dollars of taxpayer money was spent, Starr’s investigation led to Monica Lewinsky, which led to Bill lying about and later admitting his affairs.

Hillary’s devious game plan resulted in Bill losing his license to practice law for ‘lying under oath’ to a grand jury and then his subsequent impeachment by the House of Representatives.

Hillary avoided indictment for perjury and obstruction of justice during the Starr investigation by repeating, “I do not recall,” “I have no recollection,” and “I don’t know” a total of 56 times while under oath.

After leaving the White House, Hillary was forced to return an estimated $200,000 in White House furniture, china, and artwork that she had stolen.

What a swell party – ready for another four or eight year of this type of low-life mess?

Now we are exposed to the destruction of possibly incriminating emails while Hillary was Secretary of State and the “pay to play” schemes of the Clinton Foundation – we have no idea what shoe will fall next.

But to her loyal fans (supporters) – I guess in her own words “what difference does it make?”

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Const. James Forcillo sentenced to 6 years in prison for shooting death of Sammy Yatim

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