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SnowGoose69, on 02 Nov 2015 – 09:10 AM, said:
As it turns out it shouldn’t have mattered. The play Hosmer scores on is an out 99.9% of the time outside of rec league softball and it was a horrible decision by Hosmer. If he gets thrown out there and KC loses that series he’s in Buckner territory not that you could ever have known Gordon would get a hit but it was still bad
I still think he’d try it time and time again regardless of the probabilities. That’s how the Royals play. They are going to make you beat them with that throw and tag. They will make you throw to second or third by stealing a base and hoping you throw it into the outfield. Then they’ll move forward another base and try to make you do it again.

They really made the Mets defense look like rec league softball. But they did it all season to everyone, by forcing them to make a play. That’s why a contact hitting team like them are so good. A strikeout just sits you down. A hit ball at least forces a team to make the play. Just keep hitting the ball and someone will drop it eventually. They even said it in interviews during the series with the Astros….even a weak dribbler is so much better than a strikeout, they just try to get some wood on the ball, doesn’t matter where it goes, just don’t strike out.
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#2236 2015 MLB Postseason Thread: post #2236 SnowGoose69 Posted 2 November 2015 – 11:23 AM
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powderfreak, on 02 Nov 2015 – 11:03 AM, said:
I still think he’d try it time and time again regardless of the probabilities. That’s how the Royals play. They are going to make you beat them with that throw and tag. They will make you throw to second or third by stealing a base and hoping you throw it into the outfield. Then they’ll move forward another base and try to make you do it again.

They really made the Mets defense look like rec league softball. But they did it all season to everyone, by forcing them to make a play. That’s why a contact hitting team like them are so good. A strikeout just sits you down. A hit ball at least forces a team to make the play. Just keep hitting the ball and someone will drop it eventually. They even said it in interviews during the series with the Astros….even a weak dribbler is so much better than a strikeout, they just try to get some wood on the ball, doesn’t matter where it goes, just don’t strike out.
I’m hoping other teams do not try to do this now. My biggest nightmare is this has the RG3/Morris effect where the entire NFL tried to go to a running QB/RB combo. If everyone realizes this is how you beat a team with good pitching it’l become a fad and the Mets will end up having nothing to show for this pitching staff 6-8 years down the road. I’m not too worried about running into KC again next year as they have literally no rotation now, their entire staff outside of Ventura is UFAs next year, they are pretty F’d in that department and they cannot really afford to go out and dish 4 contracts out.

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#2237 2015 MLB Postseason Thread: post #2237 Stormlover74 Posted 2 November 2015 – 11:26 AM
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powderfreak, on 02 Nov 2015 – 11:03 AM, said:
I still think he’d try it time and time again regardless of the probabilities. That’s how the Royals play. They are going to make you beat them with that throw and tag. They will make you throw to second or third by stealing a base and hoping you throw it into the outfield. Then they’ll move forward another base and try to make you do it again.

They really made the Mets defense look like rec league softball. But they did it all season to everyone, by forcing them to make a play. That’s why a contact hitting team like them are so good. A strikeout just sits you down. A hit ball at least forces a team to make the play. Just keep hitting the ball and someone will drop it eventually. They even said it in interviews during the series with the Astros….even a weak dribbler is so much better than a strikeout, they just try to get some wood on the ball, doesn’t matter where it goes, just don’t strike out.

I’ve never seen him do anything that crazy during the regular season. And I can’t remember the last time anyone tried to steal home. I really feel like leaving Gordon at 3rd in game 7 last year left an imprint on their brains so even though it was highly risky in that split second he figured what the hell i’d rather get thrown out at home and go back to KC then get left at 3rd base again.

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#2238 2015 MLB Postseason Thread: post #2238 Violentweatherfan Posted 2 November 2015 – 02:26 PM
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Hamels, Halladay, Lee, and Oswalt just as good and more experienced were beaten by a similar team in the St Louis Cardinal’s. Back in 2011, I looked at the cardinal line up and all were .300 hitters.

That is too much pressure to put on ANY pitching staff. Especially with the bullpen the phillies and mets had….Game 6 in Philadelphia Roy Halladay had to pitch a perfect game for the phillies to win. Halladay Pitched himself out of a bases loaded jam with no one out in ’11 and the phillies still lost.

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#2239 2015 MLB Postseason Thread: post #2239 andyhb Posted 2 November 2015 – 02:32 PM

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Brian5671, on 02 Nov 2015 – 08:42 AM, said:
LOLOLOL Gimme a break

Why? They took liberties with at least 4 teams this year. I don’t see how that’s likeable.

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#2240 2015 MLB Postseason Thread: post #2240 radarman Posted 2 November 2015 – 02:40 PM
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SnowGoose69, on 02 Nov 2015 – 11:23 AM, said:
I’m hoping other teams do not try to do this now. My biggest nightmare is this has the RG3/Morris effect where the entire NFL tried to go to a running QB/RB combo. If everyone realizes this is how you beat a team with good pitching it’l become a fad and the Mets will end up having nothing to show for this pitching staff 6-8 years down the road. I’m not too worried about running into KC again next year as they have literally no rotation now, their entire staff outside of Ventura is UFAs next year, they are pretty F’d in that department and they cannot really afford to go out and dish 4 contracts out.

D’arnaud has to work on throwing in the offseason. Teams are going to test him often until he proves he can cut guys down. Pitchers may need to speed up their deliveries too.

What you cannot do however is let runners drive you crazy… if you suck at keeping baserunners in place, better off just focusing on the batter and not worrying about it too much.

Cool article about the Royals advanced scouting that helped them win the World Series, though the article mostly focuses on their scouting with regards to the Blue Jays. I guess I shouldn’t find it surprising that the Rays parked scouts at every Blue Jay game since August. I would assume most teams in a playoff race would start closely monitoring their best bets for possible post season match-ups.

Interesting that Price was tipping his change-ups…allowing them later in the game to just sit and wait for that pitch.

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Moustakas was all over a 2-and-2 changeup from Price—a good pitch that was down and away but that didn’t fool him either. Wait—how many times did Price even throw a 2-and-2 changeup to a lefthanded hitter all year, as he had done to both Gordon and Moustakas? The answer was just 10.
Then I thought about the Hosmer at-bat: a 1-and-1 changeup down and away that he also hit while firmly on balance. How many times did Price throw a 1-and-1 changeup to a lefty this year? Another rarity: just 16 times.

Pitching from the stretch when he threw a changeup, Price would take an extra deep breath, one where you could see his shoulders shrug, and he would hold his set a beat longer. I didn’t have access to the preferred camera angle on every pitch, but from the small sample I saw it appeared to me the Royals knew the changeup was coming when Price was in the stretch. Days later, as the series resumed in Toronto, I ran my theory past two Royals sources. Both confirmed it: Price tipped his changeup—maybe not 100% of the time, but enough for Kansas City to buy in.

They were friggin hitting every 2 strike pitch from the Mets. It’s insane.
I can’t believe how well the Royals were hitting with 2 strikes. They don’t strike out at all.

They were winning in the 8th inning 3 games. Think about it.
The Royals knew how to expose the Mets weaknesses by playing National League baseball to a tee. As tough a loss as that is, it is good for baseball that a truly small market team won a World Series.

This is almost a turn around from the 1986 NLCS against the Astros, where in three of the Mets wins, they never had the lead until the bottom of the ninth inning or later. Strawberry hit two home runs in that series, and you can argue if he didn’t hit one of those two home runs, the Mets would have lost that series.

Amazing fundamental baseball by the royals….also the bullpen is lights out for the royals

Amazing fundamental baseball by the royals….also the bullpen is lights out for the royals

http://www.si.com/mlb/2015/10/24/royals-blue-jays-alcs-clinch-pennant

http://www.americanwx.com/bb/index.php/topic/47019-2015-mlb-postseason-thread/page-64

SnowGoose69, on 02 Nov 2015 – 09:10 AM, said:
As it turns out it shouldn’t have mattered. The play Hosmer scores on is an out 99.9% of the time outside of rec league softball and it was a horrible decision by Hosmer. If he gets thrown out there and KC loses that series he’s in Buckner territory not that you could ever have known Gordon would get a hit but it was still bad
I still think he’d try it time and time again regardless of the probabilities. That’s how the Royals play. They are going to make you beat them with that throw and tag. They will make you throw to second or third by stealing a base and hoping you throw it into the outfield. Then they’ll move forward another base and try to make you do it again.

They really made the Mets defense look like rec league softball. But they did it all season to everyone, by forcing them to make a play. That’s why a contact hitting team like them are so good. A strikeout just sits you down. A hit ball at least forces a team to make the play. Just keep hitting the ball and someone will drop it eventually. They even said it in interviews during the series with the Astros….even a weak dribbler is so much better than a strikeout, they just try to get some wood on the ball, doesn’t matter where it goes, just don’t strike out.
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#2236 2015 MLB Postseason Thread: post #2236 SnowGoose69 Posted 2 November 2015 – 11:23 AM
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powderfreak, on 02 Nov 2015 – 11:03 AM, said:
I still think he’d try it time and time again regardless of the probabilities. That’s how the Royals play. They are going to make you beat them with that throw and tag. They will make you throw to second or third by stealing a base and hoping you throw it into the outfield. Then they’ll move forward another base and try to make you do it again.

They really made the Mets defense look like rec league softball. But they did it all season to everyone, by forcing them to make a play. That’s why a contact hitting team like them are so good. A strikeout just sits you down. A hit ball at least forces a team to make the play. Just keep hitting the ball and someone will drop it eventually. They even said it in interviews during the series with the Astros….even a weak dribbler is so much better than a strikeout, they just try to get some wood on the ball, doesn’t matter where it goes, just don’t strike out.
I’m hoping other teams do not try to do this now. My biggest nightmare is this has the RG3/Morris effect where the entire NFL tried to go to a running QB/RB combo. If everyone realizes this is how you beat a team with good pitching it’l become a fad and the Mets will end up having nothing to show for this pitching staff 6-8 years down the road. I’m not too worried about running into KC again next year as they have literally no rotation now, their entire staff outside of Ventura is UFAs next year, they are pretty F’d in that department and they cannot really afford to go out and dish 4 contracts out.

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#2237 2015 MLB Postseason Thread: post #2237 Stormlover74 Posted 2 November 2015 – 11:26 AM
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powderfreak, on 02 Nov 2015 – 11:03 AM, said:
I still think he’d try it time and time again regardless of the probabilities. That’s how the Royals play. They are going to make you beat them with that throw and tag. They will make you throw to second or third by stealing a base and hoping you throw it into the outfield. Then they’ll move forward another base and try to make you do it again.

They really made the Mets defense look like rec league softball. But they did it all season to everyone, by forcing them to make a play. That’s why a contact hitting team like them are so good. A strikeout just sits you down. A hit ball at least forces a team to make the play. Just keep hitting the ball and someone will drop it eventually. They even said it in interviews during the series with the Astros….even a weak dribbler is so much better than a strikeout, they just try to get some wood on the ball, doesn’t matter where it goes, just don’t strike out.

I’ve never seen him do anything that crazy during the regular season. And I can’t remember the last time anyone tried to steal home. I really feel like leaving Gordon at 3rd in game 7 last year left an imprint on their brains so even though it was highly risky in that split second he figured what the hell i’d rather get thrown out at home and go back to KC then get left at 3rd base again.

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#2238 2015 MLB Postseason Thread: post #2238 Violentweatherfan Posted 2 November 2015 – 02:26 PM
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Hamels, Halladay, Lee, and Oswalt just as good and more experienced were beaten by a similar team in the St Louis Cardinal’s. Back in 2011, I looked at the cardinal line up and all were .300 hitters.

That is too much pressure to put on ANY pitching staff. Especially with the bullpen the phillies and mets had….Game 6 in Philadelphia Roy Halladay had to pitch a perfect game for the phillies to win. Halladay Pitched himself out of a bases loaded jam with no one out in ’11 and the phillies still lost.

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#2239 2015 MLB Postseason Thread: post #2239 andyhb Posted 2 November 2015 – 02:32 PM

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Brian5671, on 02 Nov 2015 – 08:42 AM, said:
LOLOLOL Gimme a break

Why? They took liberties with at least 4 teams this year. I don’t see how that’s likeable.

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#2240 2015 MLB Postseason Thread: post #2240 radarman Posted 2 November 2015 – 02:40 PM
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SnowGoose69, on 02 Nov 2015 – 11:23 AM, said:
I’m hoping other teams do not try to do this now. My biggest nightmare is this has the RG3/Morris effect where the entire NFL tried to go to a running QB/RB combo. If everyone realizes this is how you beat a team with good pitching it’l become a fad and the Mets will end up having nothing to show for this pitching staff 6-8 years down the road. I’m not too worried about running into KC again next year as they have literally no rotation now, their entire staff outside of Ventura is UFAs next year, they are pretty F’d in that department and they cannot really afford to go out and dish 4 contracts out.

D’arnaud has to work on throwing in the offseason. Teams are going to test him often until he proves he can cut guys down. Pitchers may need to speed up their deliveries too.

What you cannot do however is let runners drive you crazy… if you suck at keeping baserunners in place, better off just focusing on the batter and not worrying about it too much.

Cool article about the Royals advanced scouting that helped them win the World Series, though the article mostly focuses on their scouting with regards to the Blue Jays. I guess I shouldn’t find it surprising that the Rays parked scouts at every Blue Jay game since August. I would assume most teams in a playoff race would start closely monitoring their best bets for possible post season match-ups.

Interesting that Price was tipping his change-ups…allowing them later in the game to just sit and wait for that pitch.

http://www.si.com/ml…-clinch-pennant

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Moustakas was all over a 2-and-2 changeup from Price—a good pitch that was down and away but that didn’t fool him either. Wait—how many times did Price even throw a 2-and-2 changeup to a lefthanded hitter all year, as he had done to both Gordon and Moustakas? The answer was just 10.
Then I thought about the Hosmer at-bat: a 1-and-1 changeup down and away that he also hit while firmly on balance. How many times did Price throw a 1-and-1 changeup to a lefty this year? Another rarity: just 16 times.

Pitching from the stretch when he threw a changeup, Price would take an extra deep breath, one where you could see his shoulders shrug, and he would hold his set a beat longer. I didn’t have access to the preferred camera angle on every pitch, but from the small sample I saw it appeared to me the Royals knew the changeup was coming when Price was in the stretch. Days later, as the series resumed in Toronto, I ran my theory past two Royals sources. Both confirmed it: Price tipped his changeup—maybe not 100% of the time, but enough for Kansas City to buy in.

They were friggin hitting every 2 strike pitch from the Mets. It’s insane.
I can’t believe how well the Royals were hitting with 2 strikes. They don’t strike out at all.

They were winning in the 8th inning 3 games. Think about it.
The Royals knew how to expose the Mets weaknesses by playing National League baseball to a tee. As tough a loss as that is, it is good for baseball that a truly small market team won a World Series.

This is almost a turn around from the 1986 NLCS against the Astros, where in three of the Mets wins, they never had the lead until the bottom of the ninth inning or later. Strawberry hit two home runs in that series, and you can argue if he didn’t hit one of those two home runs, the Mets would have lost that series.

Amazing fundamental baseball by the royals….also the bullpen is lights out for the royals

Amazing fundamental baseball by the royals….also the bullpen is lights out for the royals

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