http://www.americanwx.com/bb/index.php/topic/48058-march-22-and-beyondprimaries-and-caucuses/page-23

http://www.americanwx.com/bb/index.php/topic/48265-clinton-trump-general-election/page-135#entry4158017

http://www.americanwx.com/bb/index.php/topic/48265-clinton-trump-general-election/page-135#entry4158017

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/NYC-one-of-Least-Desirable-Places-in-the-Country-Survey-370940231.html

amy mainzer
http://www.americanwx.com/bb/index.php/topic/48272-discuss-vp-picks-here-and-make-your-predictions/page-8

http://www.americanwx.com/bb/index.php/topic/46199-hillary-clinton-presidential-campaign/

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/04/why-hillary-clinton-is-probably-going-to-win.html

http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=3920

Kate McKinnon

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sheldon-filger/hillary-clinton-seeks-us_b_7050574.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1582795/Hillary-Clintons-Bosnia-sniper-story-exposed.html

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/25/campaign.wrap/index.html?iref=hpmostpop

The examples I could cite are numerous, but one stands out, because it displays a level of public cynicism that is alarming in any politician. During her unsuccessful 2008 primary contest with then-Senator Barack Obama. Hillary Clinton sought to “prove” her physical courage by repeatedly claiming in a number of stump speeches that she had braved sniper fire in Tuzla during the war in Bosnia. As she stated on one occasion, “I remember landing under sniper fire. There was supposed to be some kind of a greeting ceremony at the airport, but instead we just ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles to get to our base.”

When news footage emerged clearly showing no sniper fire or even a whiff of threatening activity as Hillary Clinton emerged from her aircraft, it became clear that the aspiring presidential hopeful had flat-out fabricated the story of her heroism under fire out of whole cloth. Caught in a lie, Mrs. Clinton claimed that because she was fatigued from the rigors of a long campaign she had merely “misspoke.” In my view, her oft-repeated epoch of contrived courage was too specific to be a case of misspeaking, but is a clear indication of Hillary Clinton’s capacity for engaging in untruths as a matter of political expediency.

Officially begins on Sunday.  So excited to see the meltdown that will follow.

http://www.huffingto…_n_7040258.html

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#2  Hillary Clinton Presidential Campaign: post #2  Quixotic1 Posted 10 April 2015 – 10:14 AM

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Chelsea’s a mother?  Doesn’t seem that long ago when Rush was making fun of her gawky teen years on his show.

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#3  Hillary Clinton Presidential Campaign: post #3  wxtrix Posted 12 April 2015 – 04:20 PM

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here’s here first official campaign video–featuring 2 same sex couples. take that, GOP!

“When truth is replaced by silence, the silence is a lie.”–Yevgeny Yevtushenko

There is a stigma about admitting that – which is more the sociological aspect endemic to the culture on the web – certainly on American. It’s like …fearing being a pariah or something. It’s probably why I am less popular on this forum, because I don’t care. I really don’t – I say it like it is, or I see it. That sometimes falls favorably, other times, excites flames. Oh well – those that can’t take reality can go f them selves. I’m too heady to cave into that provincial lust that can’t handle the truth. That said, just because the existence of #1 is there, and one says it, shouldn’t incur the wrath of the popular, INCORRECT, voice.–Typhoon Tip
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#4  Hillary Clinton Presidential Campaign: post #4  wxtrix Posted 12 April 2015 – 04:30 PM

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a good read by Jonathan Chait:

Why Hillary Clinton Is Probably Going to Win the 2016 Election
http://nymag.com/dai…ing-to-win.html

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The argument for Clinton in 2016 is that she is the candidate of the only major American political party not run by lunatics. There is only one choice for voters who want a president who accepts climate science and rejects voodoo economics, and whose domestic platform would not engineer the largest upward redistribution of resources in American history. Even if the relatively sober Jeb Bush wins the nomination, he will have to accommodate himself to his party’s barking-mad consensus. She is non-crazy America’s choice by default. And it is not necessarily an exciting choice, but it is an easy one, and a proposition behind which she will probably command a majority.

“When truth is replaced by silence, the silence is a lie.”–Yevgeny Yevtushenko

There is a stigma about admitting that – which is more the sociological aspect endemic to the culture on the web – certainly on American. It’s like …fearing being a pariah or something. It’s probably why I am less popular on this forum, because I don’t care. I really don’t – I say it like it is, or I see it. That sometimes falls favorably, other times, excites flames. Oh well – those that can’t take reality can go f them selves. I’m too heady to cave into that provincial lust that can’t handle the truth. That said, just because the existence of #1 is there, and one says it, shouldn’t incur the wrath of the popular, INCORRECT, voice.–Typhoon Tip
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#5  Hillary Clinton Presidential Campaign: post #5  winterymix Posted 12 April 2015 – 04:32 PM

PROUD

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Her health has to be a non-issue.
Her running mate has to be a confidence-builder, some one squeaky clean
and experienced and adept with women’s issues.

It doesn’t seem the GOP has a clue.
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#6  Hillary Clinton Presidential Campaign: post #6  wxtrix Posted 12 April 2015 – 04:48 PM

I am an unpopular electric eel in a pool of catfish.

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also, let’s address the stupid FOX talking point that Hillary Clinton is part of some kind of political dynasty:

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I hope, while acknowledging it’s a real pain in the ass that she’s a Clinton, we can stop treating Hillary as part of an American political dynasty.

For generations, the primary path to power for women with any political ambitions (and even some without them) was through those who came to political power easily: men, usually husbands. This has been especially true of “first” women in American politics: The first woman governor, Wyoming’s Nellie Tayloe Ross, was elected in 1925 to replace her husband after his death. The first woman elected to the Senate was Hattie Wyatt Carraway, who filled the Arkansas seat of her dead husband in 1931. Maine Republican Margaret Chase Smith, who took her late husband’s House seat in 1940, went on to become senator and the first woman ever to have her name placed into nomination for the presidency at a major party’s convention.

It was practically preordained that the first woman to come close to a major party nomination, if not to become the first female president, was going to have family ties to a man with executive branch experience.

That doesn’t make Hillary’s current political position dynastic in the way that, say, Jeb Bush’s is. There are big differences between being born into a position of political privilege and marrying someone who becomes politically powerful. Wives have historically provided the support to make presidents’ careers possible; no dynastic configuration has ever landed one in the Oval Office herself.

Last month, The New York Times ran a fascinating and distressing look at the statistical probability of paternal succession in presidential politics, as well as in sports, business, and entertainment. The economist Seth Stephens-Davidowitz found that, based on recent history, “an American male is 4,582 times more likely to become an Army general if his father was one; 1,895 times more likely to become a famous C.E.O.; 1,497 times more likely to win a Grammy” and that it is “8,500 times more likely a senator’s son” will become a senator himself.

But based on historical precedent, here is how likely it is for a president’s wife to become president herself: zero times more likely. It’s never happened before.

So while it is fair to feel critical of the advisors, strategies, and policies deployed by both Hillary and Bill Clinton during the years they have each wielded political power, it is not fair or accurate to suggest their familial circumstances are equivalent to those of the Bushes, the Roosevelts, the Adamses, the Kennedys, or the Cuomos. If you want to compare them to the Tayloe Rosses, the Wyatt Carraways, or the Chase Smiths, that’s cool. But it doesn’t pack quite the same punch. And that’s part of the point.
http://www.newrepubl…things-worry-me

“When truth is replaced by silence, the silence is a lie.”–Yevgeny Yevtushenko

There is a stigma about admitting that – which is more the sociological aspect endemic to the culture on the web – certainly on American. It’s like …fearing being a pariah or something. It’s probably why I am less popular on this forum, because I don’t care. I really don’t – I say it like it is, or I see it. That sometimes falls favorably, other times, excites flames. Oh well – those that can’t take reality can go f them selves. I’m too heady to cave into that provincial lust that can’t handle the truth. That said, just because the existence of #1 is there, and one says it, shouldn’t incur the wrath of the popular, INCORRECT, voice.–Typhoon Tip
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#7  Hillary Clinton Presidential Campaign: post #7  Big Jims Videos Posted 12 April 2015 – 05:22 PM

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If it means more screen time for the amazing Kate McKinnon, Hillary in 2016!
Videotaping short track car races since 1992 because a flip is a terrible thing to waste!
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#8  Hillary Clinton Presidential Campaign: post #8  shaggy Posted 12 April 2015 – 05:44 PM

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An even better read.

http://www.huffingto…kusaolp00000592

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#9  Hillary Clinton Presidential Campaign: post #9  wxtrix Posted 12 April 2015 – 05:54 PM

I am an unpopular electric eel in a pool of catfish.

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shaggy, on 12 Apr 2015 – 5:44 PM, said:
An even better read.

http://www.huffingto…kusaolp00000592

you’re kidding, right?

“When truth is replaced by silence, the silence is a lie.”–Yevgeny Yevtushenko

There is a stigma about admitting that – which is more the sociological aspect endemic to the culture on the web – certainly on American. It’s like …fearing being a pariah or something. It’s probably why I am less popular on this forum, because I don’t care. I really don’t – I say it like it is, or I see it. That sometimes falls favorably, other times, excites flames. Oh well – those that can’t take reality can go f them selves. I’m too heady to cave into that provincial lust that can’t handle the truth. That said, just because the existence of #1 is there, and one says it, shouldn’t incur the wrath of the popular, INCORRECT, voice.–Typhoon Tip
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#10  Hillary Clinton Presidential Campaign: post #10  shaggy Posted 12 April 2015 – 05:57 PM

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wxtrix, on 12 Apr 2015 – 5:54 PM, said:
you’re kidding, right?

No, she is a joke and a terrible candidate. She is shady at best and a criminal at worst.

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#11  Hillary Clinton Presidential Campaign: post #11  wxtrix Posted 12 April 2015 – 06:00 PM

I am an unpopular electric eel in a pool of catfish.

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shaggy, on 12 Apr 2015 – 5:57 PM, said:
No, she is a joke and a terrible candidate. She is shady at best and a criminal at worst.

how is she “criminal”? be specific.

as if wingers ever back up their dumb assertions.

“When truth is replaced by silence, the silence is a lie.”–Yevgeny Yevtushenko

There is a stigma about admitting that – which is more the sociological aspect endemic to the culture on the web – certainly on American. It’s like …fearing being a pariah or something. It’s probably why I am less popular on this forum, because I don’t care. I really don’t – I say it like it is, or I see it. That sometimes falls favorably, other times, excites flames. Oh well – those that can’t take reality can go f them selves. I’m too heady to cave into that provincial lust that can’t handle the truth. That said, just because the existence of #1 is there, and one says it, shouldn’t incur the wrath of the popular, INCORRECT, voice.–Typhoon Tip
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#12  Hillary Clinton Presidential Campaign: post #12  Jonger Posted 12 April 2015 – 06:14 PM

Mansplainer

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I’ll pass.

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#13  Hillary Clinton Presidential Campaign: post #13  Rjay Posted 12 April 2015 – 06:20 PM

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shaggy, on 12 Apr 2015 – 5:57 PM, said:
No, she is a joke and a terrible candidate. She is shady at best and a criminal at worst.

I’m not a huge Hillary fan but dam Shag…You really need to link me up for this one.
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#14  Hillary Clinton Presidential Campaign: post #14  Thunder Road Posted 12 April 2015 – 06:27 PM

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shaggy, on 12 Apr 2015 – 5:44 PM, said:
An even better read.

http://www.huffingto…kusaolp00000592

top story right now on globaleconomiccrisis.com:

book2.jpg

It appears that even reading that headline was a waste of time…

The views expressed in this post are mine alone and are not representative of NOAA or the institution of higher education which I attend.
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#15  Hillary Clinton Presidential Campaign: post #15  wxtrix Posted 12 April 2015 – 06:39 PM

I am an unpopular electric eel in a pool of catfish.

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shaggy, on 12 Apr 2015 – 5:57 PM, said:
No, she is a joke and a terrible candidate. She is shady at best and a criminal at worst.

let’s examine the blog entry you find oh-so-persuasive.

first, the author.  I see Thunder Road beat me to linking to his lol website.

here’s some stuff about the “book” he “wrote” about Hillary Clinton:

first, his own description:

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“Hillary Clinton Nude: Naked Ambition, Hillary Clinton and America’s Demise” is an expose of one of the most powerful and controversial politicians in America. Stripping away the veils of imagery which mask the imperfections of Hillary Rodham Clinton, “Hillary Clinton Nude” presents a non-partisan yet passionate case against a second Clinton presidency. Author Sheldon Filger has written a bombshell of a political book, conveying a warning to the American people of the dire risks to the nation’s continuity should the former First Lady succeed in fulfilling her ultimate political ambition. More than just another Hillary Clinton book, “Hillary Clinton Nude” is a sobering commentary on the state of American politics in the 21st century, and the influence of money, image making and celebrity power in the debasement of meaningful political discussion in the United States. Democrats, Republicans and independent voters will discover much to reflect on in this incisive and revealing book. Originally written prior to Hillary Clinton’s ill-fated 2008 presidential campaign, “Hillary Clinton Nude” is even more timely as the former First Lady, Senator and Secretary of State prepares the ground for another run for the presidency in 2016. The next U.S. presidential election may be among the most decisive in America’s political history. Do not go to the polls without arming yourself with the knowledge found in Sheldon Filger’s revealing book, “Hillary Clinton Nude.”
http://www.amazon.co…s/dp/1425967590

here’s the “non-partisan” cover:

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“When truth is replaced by silence, the silence is a lie.”–Yevgeny Yevtushenko

There is a stigma about admitting that – which is more the sociological aspect endemic to the culture on the web – certainly on American. It’s like …fearing being a pariah or something. It’s probably why I am less popular on this forum, because I don’t care. I really don’t – I say it like it is, or I see it. That sometimes falls favorably, other times, excites flames. Oh well – those that can’t take reality can go f them selves. I’m too heady to cave into that provincial lust that can’t handle the truth. That said, just because the existence of #1 is there, and one says it, shouldn’t incur the wrath of the popular, INCORRECT, voice.–Typhoon Tip
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#16  Hillary Clinton Presidential Campaign: post #16  greenskeeper Posted 12 April 2015 – 06:53 PM

Gunga galunga…gunga gunga galunga.

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the same DOPEs who voted for “hey look, the first black president” without knowing his record or views for America will be the same DOPEs who vote for “hey look, the first woman president”

I’d keep playing. I don’t think the heavy stuff’s gonna come down for quite awhile.

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#17  Hillary Clinton Presidential Campaign: post #17  wxtrix Posted 12 April 2015 – 06:57 PM

I am an unpopular electric eel in a pool of catfish.

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greenskeeper, on 12 Apr 2015 – 6:53 PM, said:
the same DOPEs who voted for “hey look, the first black president” without knowing his record or views for America will be the same DOPEs who vote for “hey look, the first woman president”

what about the same DOPES who refused to vote for the first black president because he’s black being the same DOPES who won’t vote for Hillary because she’d be the first female president?  any deep thoughts for us on that quandary?

his “views for America”.  megalolz.

“When truth is replaced by silence, the silence is a lie.”–Yevgeny Yevtushenko

There is a stigma about admitting that – which is more the sociological aspect endemic to the culture on the web – certainly on American. It’s like …fearing being a pariah or something. It’s probably why I am less popular on this forum, because I don’t care. I really don’t – I say it like it is, or I see it. That sometimes falls favorably, other times, excites flames. Oh well – those that can’t take reality can go f them selves. I’m too heady to cave into that provincial lust that can’t handle the truth. That said, just because the existence of #1 is there, and one says it, shouldn’t incur the wrath of the popular, INCORRECT, voice.–Typhoon Tip
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#18  Hillary Clinton Presidential Campaign: post #18  wxtrix Posted 12 April 2015 – 07:01 PM

I am an unpopular electric eel in a pool of catfish.

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let’s examine this essay shaggy found so convincing.

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No better illustration exists of the dysfunctional nature of American politics than the phenomenon of Hillary Clinton. Devoid of any measurable accomplishments that have unambiguously advanced the interests of the United States and her people, Mrs. Clinton’s stature as the frontrunner in the upcoming 2016 presidential contest and virtual shoo-in for the Democratic Party’s nomination is predicated entirely on her status as a political celebrity. And those who are utterly objective recognize that this celebrity power that has catapulted Hillary Clinton to within striking distance of the presidency is totally derived from the brand name that comes with being the wife of Bill Clinton. It is simply inconceivable that Hillary Clinton would have embarked on her journey towards the presidency, which began with her election as Senator from New York in November 2000, if her surname had been anything other than Clinton.

No doubt, millions will discard objectivity and project their hopes for the future on the public persona of Hillary Clinton, as it will be carefully constructed by professional political strategists and public relations experts, all funded by the billion dollars plus that the Clinton brand will attract through its fundraising apparatus. Those who are more sober and reflective in their political judgments should consider the following three points I raise as reasons to be wary of a second Clinton presidency.

I addressed this FOX talking point earlier in this thread.  not that the wingers here bothered to read it, of course.

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1. Hillary Clinton plays loose with the truth, and has a record that raises serious ethical questions.

ooooh  SERIOUS ETHICAL QUESTIONS.  lay it on me, brother!

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The examples I could cite are numerous, but one stands out, because it displays a level of public cynicism that is alarming in any politician. During her unsuccessful 2008 primary contest with then-Senator Barack Obama. Hillary Clinton sought to “prove” her physical courage by repeatedly claiming in a number of stump speeches that she had braved sniper fire in Tuzla during the war in Bosnia. As she stated on one occasion, “I remember landing under sniper fire. There was supposed to be some kind of a greeting ceremony at the airport, but instead we just ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles to get to our base.”

When news footage emerged clearly showing no sniper fire or even a whiff of threatening activity as Hillary Clinton emerged from her aircraft, it became clear that the aspiring presidential hopeful had flat-out fabricated the story of her heroism under fire out of whole cloth. Caught in a lie, Mrs. Clinton claimed that because she was fatigued from the rigors of a long campaign she had merely “misspoke.” In my view, her oft-repeated epoch of contrived courage was too specific to be a case of misspeaking, but is a clear indication of Hillary Clinton’s capacity for engaging in untruths as a matter of political expediency.

and that’s all you have?  I was promised a good frothing OUTRAGE session and this is all you give me?  c’mon Sheldon.  surely you can do better.  this isn’t something remotely criminal.

“When truth is replaced by silence, the silence is a lie.”–Yevgeny Yevtushenko

There is a stigma about admitting that – which is more the sociological aspect endemic to the culture on the web – certainly on American. It’s like …fearing being a pariah or something. It’s probably why I am less popular on this forum, because I don’t care. I really don’t – I say it like it is, or I see it. That sometimes falls favorably, other times, excites flames. Oh well – those that can’t take reality can go f them selves. I’m too heady to cave into that provincial lust that can’t handle the truth. That said, just because the existence of #1 is there, and one says it, shouldn’t incur the wrath of the popular, INCORRECT, voice.–Typhoon Tip
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#19  Hillary Clinton Presidential Campaign: post #19  shaggy Posted 12 April 2015 – 07:02 PM

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So what in his article I linked was wrong? I see he has some absurd stuff about her being nude or something? Not sure what THAT has to do with his assertions in the link I provided?

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#20  Hillary Clinton Presidential Campaign: post #20  shaggy Posted 12 April 2015 – 07:02 PM

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Rjay, on 12 Apr 2015 – 6:20 PM, said:
I’m not a huge Hillary fan but dam Shag…You really need to link me up for this one.

When I get home from work i’ll explain my comment better.

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#21  Hillary Clinton Presidential Campaign: post #21  Brewbeer Posted 12 April 2015 – 07:10 PM

Home Brewing

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shaggy, on 12 Apr 2015 – 7:02 PM, said:
…he has some absurd stuff about her being nude …

With a cover like that its clear he doesn’t want to be taken seriously by at least half the electorate.
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#22  Hillary Clinton Presidential Campaign: post #22  wxtrix Posted 12 April 2015 – 07:13 PM

I am an unpopular electric eel in a pool of catfish.

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2. Hillary Clinton was a full partner with her husband in unethical conduct during the presidency of Bill Clinton. A prime example is what happened at the very end of the Clinton presidency, when a series of questionable presidential pardons were granted that were so outrageously incongruent, the whole episode came to be known as “Pardongate.”

technically “came to be known BY WINGERS as “Pardongate”.  here in non-winger land, in that Clinton’s pardons were on par with Reagan’s and I don’t see Sheldon yammering on about how suspicious those were, it was “business as usual”:

http://en.wikipedia….s#Ronald_Reagan

http://en.wikipedia….es#Bill_Clinton

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Among the rogues gallery of pardon recipients courtesy of President Clinton were four convicted swindlers from the town of New Square in Rockland County, New York. The largely Hassidic community of New Square voted for Hillary Clinton in her 2000 senatorial campaign in overwhelming numbers, at the behest of community leaders. Shortly after her successful senate campaign, Hillary Clinton joined her husband for a private White House meeting with supporters of the convicted New Town swindlers.

Though she has never revealed what was discussed — or promised — during the closed door meeting, Hillary Clinton maintained that she had no prior knowledge of her husband’s intentions on granting presidential pardons to the four swindlers from New Square. However, the feeling of disgust that arose in the wake of Pardongate became pervasive and non-partisan. Then a liberal columnist for the New York Times, Bob Herbert wrote in a column published on February 26, 2000:

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You can’t lead a nation if you are shamed of the leadership of your party. The Clintons are a terminally unethical and vulgar couple, and they’ve betrayed everyone who has ever believed in them.

Sheldon, you left out the part where there wasn’t enough evidence to bring any charges.  but that’s as good as guilty to wingers!

oh, one more thing:   Bob Herbert is a Clinton hater.  super-duper Clinton hater.   super “non-partisan” source to use to prove you’re not a partisan yourself.

“When truth is replaced by silence, the silence is a lie.”–Yevgeny Yevtushenko

There is a stigma about admitting that – which is more the sociological aspect endemic to the culture on the web – certainly on American. It’s like …fearing being a pariah or something. It’s probably why I am less popular on this forum, because I don’t care. I really don’t – I say it like it is, or I see it. That sometimes falls favorably, other times, excites flames. Oh well – those that can’t take reality can go f them selves. I’m too heady to cave into that provincial lust that can’t handle the truth. That said, just because the existence of #1 is there, and one says it, shouldn’t incur the wrath of the popular, INCORRECT, voice.–Typhoon Tip
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#23  Hillary Clinton Presidential Campaign: post #23  wxtrix Posted 12 April 2015 – 07:13 PM

I am an unpopular electric eel in a pool of catfish.

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shaggy, on 12 Apr 2015 – 7:02 PM, said:

So what in his article I linked was wrong? I see he has some absurd stuff about her being nude or something? Not sure what THAT has to do with his assertions in the link I provided?

serious question:  do you have a reading problem?

“When truth is replaced by silence, the silence is a lie.”–Yevgeny Yevtushenko

There is a stigma about admitting that – which is more the sociological aspect endemic to the culture on the web – certainly on American. It’s like …fearing being a pariah or something. It’s probably why I am less popular on this forum, because I don’t care. I really don’t – I say it like it is, or I see it. That sometimes falls favorably, other times, excites flames. Oh well – those that can’t take reality can go f them selves. I’m too heady to cave into that provincial lust that can’t handle the truth. That said, just because the existence of #1 is there, and one says it, shouldn’t incur the wrath of the popular, INCORRECT, voice.–Typhoon Tip
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#24  Hillary Clinton Presidential Campaign: post #24  winterymix Posted 12 April 2015 – 07:15 PM

PROUD

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Big deal about the trite dos and donts of Hillary, the other
party has no answer.

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#25  Hillary Clinton Presidential Campaign: post #25  wxtrix Posted 12 April 2015 – 07:15 PM

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3. As a U.S. senator, Hillary Clinton became complicit in America’s disastrous war in Iraq. The most important vote Hillary Clinton cast during her two terms as United States senator from New York was undoubtedly Senate Joint Resolution 45, which authorized President George W. Bush to unleash military force against Iraq at any time, without further consultation with Congress, let alone a declaration of war. The disastrous impact of that hideous example of strategic miscalculation is still with us, witnessed by the tectonic convulsions ripping the Arab world, and the rise of the Islamic State, which emerged out of the caldron created by the U.S. invasion of Iraq in 2003.

At the time of her vote in favor of instigating America’s war in Iraq, Hillary Clinton boasted that her decision was based on “careful consideration.” If this calamitous decision is the best that Hillary Clinton is capable of, that alone should raise serious questions about her suitability to serve as America’s Commander-in-Chief.

here’s he’s got a point.  she was the only US Senator who was in favor of the war, she single-handedly renamed French Fries in the Capital cafeteria, and she started numerous wars as Secretary of State.  oh, wait…

but yeah, Sheldon definitely makes an airtight case against Hillary Clinton.  mmmhmmm.

“When truth is replaced by silence, the silence is a lie.”–Yevgeny Yevtushenko

There is a stigma about admitting that – which is more the sociological aspect endemic to the culture on the web – certainly on American. It’s like …fearing being a pariah or something. It’s probably why I am less popular on this forum, because I don’t care. I really don’t – I say it like it is, or I see it. That sometimes falls favorably, other times, excites flames. Oh well – those that can’t take reality can go f them selves. I’m too heady to cave into that provincial lust that can’t handle the truth. That said, just because the existence of #1 is there, and one says it, shouldn’t incur the wrath of the popular, INCORRECT, voice.–Typhoon Tip
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#26  Hillary Clinton Presidential Campaign: post #26  Supercane Posted 12 April 2015 – 07:25 PM

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wxtrix, on 12 Apr 2015 – 7:15 PM, said:
here’s he’s got a point.  she was the only US Senator who was in favor of the war, she single-handedly renamed French Fries in the Capital cafeteria, and she started numerous wars as Secretary of State.  oh, wait…

but yeah, Sheldon definitely makes an airtight case against Hillary Clinton.  mmmhmmm.

Has Hillary Clinton ever opposed any military action taken by any of the past 3 presidents? I can’t think of any. She supported her husband’s interventions in the Balkans, she supported GWB in Afghanistan and Iraq, as SOS she was a strong proponent of the Libya intervention (which hasn’t exactly turned out well for us), and she favored military action in Syria as well. I think it’s perfectly fair to question her hawkish tendencies.

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#27  Hillary Clinton Presidential Campaign: post #27  wxtrix Posted 12 April 2015 – 07:34 PM

I am an unpopular electric eel in a pool of catfish.

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Supercane, on 12 Apr 2015 – 7:25 PM, said:
Has Hillary Clinton ever opposed any military action taken by any of the past 3 presidents? I can’t think of any. She supported her husband’s interventions in the Balkans, she supported GWB in Afghanistan and Iraq, as SOS she was a strong proponent of the Libya intervention (which hasn’t exactly turned out well for us), and she favored military action in Syria as well. I think it’s perfectly fair to question her hawkish tendencies.

of course it’s fair. but that’s not what that link did.

“When truth is replaced by silence, the silence is a lie.”–Yevgeny Yevtushenko

There is a stigma about admitting that – which is more the sociological aspect endemic to the culture on the web – certainly on American. It’s like …fearing being a pariah or something. It’s probably why I am less popular on this forum, because I don’t care. I really don’t – I say it like it is, or I see it. That sometimes falls favorably, other times, excites flames. Oh well – those that can’t take reality can go f them selves. I’m too heady to cave into that provincial lust that can’t handle the truth. That said, just because the existence of #1 is there, and one says it, shouldn’t incur the wrath of the popular, INCORRECT, voice.–Typhoon Tip
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#28  Hillary Clinton Presidential Campaign: post #28  jburns Posted 12 April 2015 – 07:36 PM

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” “Hillary Clinton Nude” presents a non-partisan yet passionate case against a second Clinton presidency. Author Sheldon Filger has written a bombshell of a political book,…………”

:axe:

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#29  Hillary Clinton Presidential Campaign: post #29  StudentOfClimatology Posted 12 April 2015 – 07:49 PM

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I’m not voting for Shrillary-Wallstreet-Clinton. What right-minded progressive would?
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#30  Hillary Clinton Presidential Campaign: post #30  greenskeeper Posted 12 April 2015 – 08:01 PM

Gunga galunga…gunga gunga galunga.

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wxtrix, on 12 Apr 2015 – 6:57 PM, said:
what about the same DOPES who refused to vote for the first black president because he’s black being the same DOPES who won’t vote for Hillary because she’d be the first female president?  any deep thoughts for us on that quandary?
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/clinton-begins-the-2016-campaign-and-its-a-toss-up/

his “views for America”.  megalolz.

typical LIBERAL DOPE argument

I’d keep playing. I don’t think the heavy stuff’s gonna come down for quite awhile.

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#31  Hillary Clinton Presidential Campaign: post #31  wxtrix Posted 12 April 2015 – 08:10 PM

I am an unpopular electric eel in a pool of catfish.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXdNYXMQoy8#t=145

StudentOfClimatology, on 12 Apr 2015 – 7:49 PM, said:
I’m not voting for Shrillary-Wallstreet-Clinton. What right-minded progressive would?

the kind that knows there could be potentially 5 Supreme Court nominations in the next 10 years.

“When truth is replaced by silence, the silence is a lie.”–Yevgeny Yevtushenko

There is a stigma about admitting that – which is more the sociological aspect endemic to the culture on the web – certainly on American. It’s like …fearing being a pariah or something. It’s probably why I am less popular on this forum, because I don’t care. I really don’t – I say it like it is, or I see it. That sometimes falls favorably, other times, excites flames. Oh well – those that can’t take reality can go f them selves. I’m too heady to cave into that provincial lust that can’t handle the truth. That said, just because the existence of #1 is there, and one says it, shouldn’t incur the wrath of the popular, INCORRECT, voice.–Typhoon Tip
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#32  Hillary Clinton Presidential Campaign: post #32  wxtrix Posted 12 April 2015 – 08:11 PM

I am an unpopular electric eel in a pool of catfish.

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greenskeeper, on 12 Apr 2015 – 8:01 PM, said:
typical LIBERAL DOPE argument

sick burn coming from someone who thinks Obama is a America-hating socialist.

“When truth is replaced by silence, the silence is a lie.”–Yevgeny Yevtushenko

There is a stigma about admitting that – which is more the sociological aspect endemic to the culture on the web – certainly on American. It’s like …fearing being a pariah or something. It’s probably why I am less popular on this forum, because I don’t care. I really don’t – I say it like it is, or I see it. That sometimes falls favorably, other times, excites flames. Oh well – those that can’t take reality can go f them selves. I’m too heady to cave into that provincial lust that can’t handle the truth. That said, just because the existence of #1 is there, and one says it, shouldn’t incur the wrath of the popular, INCORRECT, voice.–Typhoon Tip
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#33  Hillary Clinton Presidential Campaign: post #33  NortheastPAWx Posted 12 April 2015 – 08:14 PM

Made the Penguins Great Again

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StudentOfClimatology, on 12 Apr 2015 – 7:49 PM, said:
I’m not voting for Shrillary-Wallstreet-Clinton. What right-minded progressive would?
Ask Trixie…

Are we really writing signatures or are they…writing us?
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#34  Hillary Clinton Presidential Campaign: post #34  hypatia Posted 12 April 2015 – 08:34 PM

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wxtrix, on 12 Apr 2015 – 6:39 PM, said:
here’s the “non-partisan” cover:

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That is so vile and misogynist.

So are “Shrillary” comments. Because powerful women have “shrill” voices, while powerful men’s voices get called “commanding”. And this is not a completely partisan phenomenon — Sarah Palin and other conservative female politicians have been subjected to sexist treatment as well. Why can’t we simply critique someone on the basis of issues, without resorting to wielding gender or racial (or any other type) of privilege. Wielding privilege — and not substance — to take down a candidate is a blow below the belt. Like, it’s super easy to make fun of Michelle Bachmann for her ridiculous positions, without referring to her “crazy eyes” — so why do it when it’s playing into a hysterical woman trope. Speaking of “crazy eyes”, can’t wait to see all of the “crazy looking” Hillary Clinton photos that will abound. While awkward photos of male politicians are also used in political campaigns, I think it happens a lot more to women. And it plays into ancient tropes about women and their irrational hysteria (plus the expectation that we should be visually appealing at every moment of the day).

I know she is not a perfect person or politician, but that sh-t infuriates me. Can’t wait to see the stream of sexist bullsh-t she will endure in this campaign. And she actually cares about women’s issues and rights, which are being tragically swept under the bus in the current political landscape.
“Nature does not hurry; yet everything is accomplished.”
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#35  Hillary Clinton Presidential Campaign: post #35  Brian5671 Posted 12 April 2015 – 08:41 PM

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she’s a lot better than the current idiot in office…bring it.  (although she is bought and paid for just like him) LOL at her saying the deck is still stacked in favor of those at the top, yet she is at the top.
Monica Lewinsky for VP?

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http://www.americanwx.com/bb/index.php/topic/46199-hillary-clinton-presidential-campaign/

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/04/why-hillary-clinton-is-probably-going-to-win.html

http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=3920

Kate McKinnon

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sheldon-filger/hillary-clinton-seeks-us_b_7050574.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1582795/Hillary-Clintons-Bosnia-sniper-story-exposed.html

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/25/campaign.wrap/index.html?iref=hpmostpop
The examples I could cite are numerous, but one stands out, because it displays a level of public cynicism that is alarming in any politician. During her unsuccessful 2008 primary contest with then-Senator Barack Obama. Hillary Clinton sought to “prove” her physical courage by repeatedly claiming in a number of stump speeches that she had braved sniper fire in Tuzla during the war in Bosnia. As she stated on one occasion, “I remember landing under sniper fire. There was supposed to be some kind of a greeting ceremony at the airport, but instead we just ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles to get to our base.”

When news footage emerged clearly showing no sniper fire or even a whiff of threatening activity as Hillary Clinton emerged from her aircraft, it became clear that the aspiring presidential hopeful had flat-out fabricated the story of her heroism under fire out of whole cloth. Caught in a lie, Mrs. Clinton claimed that because she was fatigued from the rigors of a long campaign she had merely “misspoke.” In my view, her oft-repeated epoch of contrived courage was too specific to be a case of misspeaking, but is a clear indication of Hillary Clinton’s capacity for engaging in untruths as a matter of political expediency.
Officially begins on Sunday. So excited to see the meltdown that will follow.

http://www.huffingto…_n_7040258.html

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#2 Hillary Clinton Presidential Campaign: post #2 Quixotic1 Posted 10 April 2015 – 10:14 AM
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Chelsea’s a mother? Doesn’t seem that long ago when Rush was making fun of her gawky teen years on his show.

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#3 Hillary Clinton Presidential Campaign: post #3 wxtrix Posted 12 April 2015 – 04:20 PM

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here’s here first official campaign video–featuring 2 same sex couples. take that, GOP!

“When truth is replaced by silence, the silence is a lie.”–Yevgeny Yevtushenko

There is a stigma about admitting that – which is more the sociological aspect endemic to the culture on the web – certainly on American. It’s like …fearing being a pariah or something. It’s probably why I am less popular on this forum, because I don’t care. I really don’t – I say it like it is, or I see it. That sometimes falls favorably, other times, excites flames. Oh well – those that can’t take reality can go f them selves. I’m too heady to cave into that provincial lust that can’t handle the truth. That said, just because the existence of #1 is there, and one says it, shouldn’t incur the wrath of the popular, INCORRECT, voice.–Typhoon Tip
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#4 Hillary Clinton Presidential Campaign: post #4 wxtrix Posted 12 April 2015 – 04:30 PM

I am an unpopular electric eel in a pool of catfish.

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a good read by Jonathan Chait:

Why Hillary Clinton Is Probably Going to Win the 2016 Election
http://nymag.com/dai…ing-to-win.html
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The argument for Clinton in 2016 is that she is the candidate of the only major American political party not run by lunatics. There is only one choice for voters who want a president who accepts climate science and rejects voodoo economics, and whose domestic platform would not engineer the largest upward redistribution of resources in American history. Even if the relatively sober Jeb Bush wins the nomination, he will have to accommodate himself to his party’s barking-mad consensus. She is non-crazy America’s choice by default. And it is not necessarily an exciting choice, but it is an easy one, and a proposition behind which she will probably command a majority.
“When truth is replaced by silence, the silence is a lie.”–Yevgeny Yevtushenko

There is a stigma about admitting that – which is more the sociological aspect endemic to the culture on the web – certainly on American. It’s like …fearing being a pariah or something. It’s probably why I am less popular on this forum, because I don’t care. I really don’t – I say it like it is, or I see it. That sometimes falls favorably, other times, excites flames. Oh well – those that can’t take reality can go f them selves. I’m too heady to cave into that provincial lust that can’t handle the truth. That said, just because the existence of #1 is there, and one says it, shouldn’t incur the wrath of the popular, INCORRECT, voice.–Typhoon Tip
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#5 Hillary Clinton Presidential Campaign: post #5 winterymix Posted 12 April 2015 – 04:32 PM

PROUD

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Her health has to be a non-issue.
Her running mate has to be a confidence-builder, some one squeaky clean
and experienced and adept with women’s issues.

It doesn’t seem the GOP has a clue.
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#6 Hillary Clinton Presidential Campaign: post #6 wxtrix Posted 12 April 2015 – 04:48 PM

I am an unpopular electric eel in a pool of catfish.

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also, let’s address the stupid FOX talking point that Hillary Clinton is part of some kind of political dynasty:
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I hope, while acknowledging it’s a real pain in the ass that she’s a Clinton, we can stop treating Hillary as part of an American political dynasty.

For generations, the primary path to power for women with any political ambitions (and even some without them) was through those who came to political power easily: men, usually husbands. This has been especially true of “first” women in American politics: The first woman governor, Wyoming’s Nellie Tayloe Ross, was elected in 1925 to replace her husband after his death. The first woman elected to the Senate was Hattie Wyatt Carraway, who filled the Arkansas seat of her dead husband in 1931. Maine Republican Margaret Chase Smith, who took her late husband’s House seat in 1940, went on to become senator and the first woman ever to have her name placed into nomination for the presidency at a major party’s convention.

It was practically preordained that the first woman to come close to a major party nomination, if not to become the first female president, was going to have family ties to a man with executive branch experience.

That doesn’t make Hillary’s current political position dynastic in the way that, say, Jeb Bush’s is. There are big differences between being born into a position of political privilege and marrying someone who becomes politically powerful. Wives have historically provided the support to make presidents’ careers possible; no dynastic configuration has ever landed one in the Oval Office herself.

Last month, The New York Times ran a fascinating and distressing look at the statistical probability of paternal succession in presidential politics, as well as in sports, business, and entertainment. The economist Seth Stephens-Davidowitz found that, based on recent history, “an American male is 4,582 times more likely to become an Army general if his father was one; 1,895 times more likely to become a famous C.E.O.; 1,497 times more likely to win a Grammy” and that it is “8,500 times more likely a senator’s son” will become a senator himself.

But based on historical precedent, here is how likely it is for a president’s wife to become president herself: zero times more likely. It’s never happened before.

So while it is fair to feel critical of the advisors, strategies, and policies deployed by both Hillary and Bill Clinton during the years they have each wielded political power, it is not fair or accurate to suggest their familial circumstances are equivalent to those of the Bushes, the Roosevelts, the Adamses, the Kennedys, or the Cuomos. If you want to compare them to the Tayloe Rosses, the Wyatt Carraways, or the Chase Smiths, that’s cool. But it doesn’t pack quite the same punch. And that’s part of the point.
http://www.newrepubl…things-worry-me
“When truth is replaced by silence, the silence is a lie.”–Yevgeny Yevtushenko

There is a stigma about admitting that – which is more the sociological aspect endemic to the culture on the web – certainly on American. It’s like …fearing being a pariah or something. It’s probably why I am less popular on this forum, because I don’t care. I really don’t – I say it like it is, or I see it. That sometimes falls favorably, other times, excites flames. Oh well – those that can’t take reality can go f them selves. I’m too heady to cave into that provincial lust that can’t handle the truth. That said, just because the existence of #1 is there, and one says it, shouldn’t incur the wrath of the popular, INCORRECT, voice.–Typhoon Tip
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#7 Hillary Clinton Presidential Campaign: post #7 Big Jims Videos Posted 12 April 2015 – 05:22 PM
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If it means more screen time for the amazing Kate McKinnon, Hillary in 2016!
Videotaping short track car races since 1992 because a flip is a terrible thing to waste!
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#8 Hillary Clinton Presidential Campaign: post #8 shaggy Posted 12 April 2015 – 05:44 PM
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An even better read.
http://www.huffingto…kusaolp00000592

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#9 Hillary Clinton Presidential Campaign: post #9 wxtrix Posted 12 April 2015 – 05:54 PM

I am an unpopular electric eel in a pool of catfish.

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shaggy, on 12 Apr 2015 – 5:44 PM, said:
An even better read.
http://www.huffingto…kusaolp00000592
you’re kidding, right?

“When truth is replaced by silence, the silence is a lie.”–Yevgeny Yevtushenko

There is a stigma about admitting that – which is more the sociological aspect endemic to the culture on the web – certainly on American. It’s like …fearing being a pariah or something. It’s probably why I am less popular on this forum, because I don’t care. I really don’t – I say it like it is, or I see it. That sometimes falls favorably, other times, excites flames. Oh well – those that can’t take reality can go f them selves. I’m too heady to cave into that provincial lust that can’t handle the truth. That said, just because the existence of #1 is there, and one says it, shouldn’t incur the wrath of the popular, INCORRECT, voice.–Typhoon Tip
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#10 Hillary Clinton Presidential Campaign: post #10 shaggy Posted 12 April 2015 – 05:57 PM
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wxtrix, on 12 Apr 2015 – 5:54 PM, said:
you’re kidding, right?

No, she is a joke and a terrible candidate. She is shady at best and a criminal at worst.

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#11 Hillary Clinton Presidential Campaign: post #11 wxtrix Posted 12 April 2015 – 06:00 PM

I am an unpopular electric eel in a pool of catfish.

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shaggy, on 12 Apr 2015 – 5:57 PM, said:
No, she is a joke and a terrible candidate. She is shady at best and a criminal at worst.
how is she “criminal”? be specific.

as if wingers ever back up their dumb assertions.

“When truth is replaced by silence, the silence is a lie.”–Yevgeny Yevtushenko

There is a stigma about admitting that – which is more the sociological aspect endemic to the culture on the web – certainly on American. It’s like …fearing being a pariah or something. It’s probably why I am less popular on this forum, because I don’t care. I really don’t – I say it like it is, or I see it. That sometimes falls favorably, other times, excites flames. Oh well – those that can’t take reality can go f them selves. I’m too heady to cave into that provincial lust that can’t handle the truth. That said, just because the existence of #1 is there, and one says it, shouldn’t incur the wrath of the popular, INCORRECT, voice.–Typhoon Tip
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#12 Hillary Clinton Presidential Campaign: post #12 Jonger Posted 12 April 2015 – 06:14 PM

Mansplainer

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I’ll pass.

Snowmobile Mileage 2013-2014: 2,800 Miles
Snowmobile Mileage 2014-2015: 2,460 Miles
Snowmobile Mileage 2015-2016: 2,150 Miles
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#13 Hillary Clinton Presidential Campaign: post #13 Rjay Posted 12 April 2015 – 06:20 PM
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shaggy, on 12 Apr 2015 – 5:57 PM, said:
No, she is a joke and a terrible candidate. She is shady at best and a criminal at worst.

I’m not a huge Hillary fan but dam Shag…You really need to link me up for this one.
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#14 Hillary Clinton Presidential Campaign: post #14 Thunder Road Posted 12 April 2015 – 06:27 PM
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shaggy, on 12 Apr 2015 – 5:44 PM, said:
An even better read.
http://www.huffingto…kusaolp00000592

top story right now on globaleconomiccrisis.com:

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It appears that even reading that headline was a waste of time…

The views expressed in this post are mine alone and are not representative of NOAA or the institution of higher education which I attend.
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#15 Hillary Clinton Presidential Campaign: post #15 wxtrix Posted 12 April 2015 – 06:39 PM

I am an unpopular electric eel in a pool of catfish.

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shaggy, on 12 Apr 2015 – 5:57 PM, said:
No, she is a joke and a terrible candidate. She is shady at best and a criminal at worst.
let’s examine the blog entry you find oh-so-persuasive.
first, the author. I see Thunder Road beat me to linking to his lol website.

here’s some stuff about the “book” he “wrote” about Hillary Clinton:

first, his own description:
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“Hillary Clinton Nude: Naked Ambition, Hillary Clinton and America’s Demise” is an expose of one of the most powerful and controversial politicians in America. Stripping away the veils of imagery which mask the imperfections of Hillary Rodham Clinton, “Hillary Clinton Nude” presents a non-partisan yet passionate case against a second Clinton presidency. Author Sheldon Filger has written a bombshell of a political book, conveying a warning to the American people of the dire risks to the nation’s continuity should the former First Lady succeed in fulfilling her ultimate political ambition. More than just another Hillary Clinton book, “Hillary Clinton Nude” is a sobering commentary on the state of American politics in the 21st century, and the influence of money, image making and celebrity power in the debasement of meaningful political discussion in the United States. Democrats, Republicans and independent voters will discover much to reflect on in this incisive and revealing book. Originally written prior to Hillary Clinton’s ill-fated 2008 presidential campaign, “Hillary Clinton Nude” is even more timely as the former First Lady, Senator and Secretary of State prepares the ground for another run for the presidency in 2016. The next U.S. presidential election may be among the most decisive in America’s political history. Do not go to the polls without arming yourself with the knowledge found in Sheldon Filger’s revealing book, “Hillary Clinton Nude.”
http://www.amazon.co…s/dp/1425967590
here’s the “non-partisan” cover:

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“When truth is replaced by silence, the silence is a lie.”–Yevgeny Yevtushenko

There is a stigma about admitting that – which is more the sociological aspect endemic to the culture on the web – certainly on American. It’s like …fearing being a pariah or something. It’s probably why I am less popular on this forum, because I don’t care. I really don’t – I say it like it is, or I see it. That sometimes falls favorably, other times, excites flames. Oh well – those that can’t take reality can go f them selves. I’m too heady to cave into that provincial lust that can’t handle the truth. That said, just because the existence of #1 is there, and one says it, shouldn’t incur the wrath of the popular, INCORRECT, voice.–Typhoon Tip
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#16 Hillary Clinton Presidential Campaign: post #16 greenskeeper Posted 12 April 2015 – 06:53 PM

Gunga galunga…gunga gunga galunga.

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the same DOPEs who voted for “hey look, the first black president” without knowing his record or views for America will be the same DOPEs who vote for “hey look, the first woman president”

I’d keep playing. I don’t think the heavy stuff’s gonna come down for quite awhile.

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#17 Hillary Clinton Presidential Campaign: post #17 wxtrix Posted 12 April 2015 – 06:57 PM

I am an unpopular electric eel in a pool of catfish.

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greenskeeper, on 12 Apr 2015 – 6:53 PM, said:
the same DOPEs who voted for “hey look, the first black president” without knowing his record or views for America will be the same DOPEs who vote for “hey look, the first woman president”
what about the same DOPES who refused to vote for the first black president because he’s black being the same DOPES who won’t vote for Hillary because she’d be the first female president? any deep thoughts for us on that quandary?

his “views for America”. megalolz.
“When truth is replaced by silence, the silence is a lie.”–Yevgeny Yevtushenko

There is a stigma about admitting that – which is more the sociological aspect endemic to the culture on the web – certainly on American. It’s like …fearing being a pariah or something. It’s probably why I am less popular on this forum, because I don’t care. I really don’t – I say it like it is, or I see it. That sometimes falls favorably, other times, excites flames. Oh well – those that can’t take reality can go f them selves. I’m too heady to cave into that provincial lust that can’t handle the truth. That said, just because the existence of #1 is there, and one says it, shouldn’t incur the wrath of the popular, INCORRECT, voice.–Typhoon Tip
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#18 Hillary Clinton Presidential Campaign: post #18 wxtrix Posted 12 April 2015 – 07:01 PM

I am an unpopular electric eel in a pool of catfish.

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let’s examine this essay shaggy found so convincing.
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No better illustration exists of the dysfunctional nature of American politics than the phenomenon of Hillary Clinton. Devoid of any measurable accomplishments that have unambiguously advanced the interests of the United States and her people, Mrs. Clinton’s stature as the frontrunner in the upcoming 2016 presidential contest and virtual shoo-in for the Democratic Party’s nomination is predicated entirely on her status as a political celebrity. And those who are utterly objective recognize that this celebrity power that has catapulted Hillary Clinton to within striking distance of the presidency is totally derived from the brand name that comes with being the wife of Bill Clinton. It is simply inconceivable that Hillary Clinton would have embarked on her journey towards the presidency, which began with her election as Senator from New York in November 2000, if her surname had been anything other than Clinton.

No doubt, millions will discard objectivity and project their hopes for the future on the public persona of Hillary Clinton, as it will be carefully constructed by professional political strategists and public relations experts, all funded by the billion dollars plus that the Clinton brand will attract through its fundraising apparatus. Those who are more sober and reflective in their political judgments should consider the following three points I raise as reasons to be wary of a second Clinton presidency.

I addressed this FOX talking point earlier in this thread. not that the wingers here bothered to read it, of course.

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1. Hillary Clinton plays loose with the truth, and has a record that raises serious ethical questions.

ooooh SERIOUS ETHICAL QUESTIONS. lay it on me, brother!

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The examples I could cite are numerous, but one stands out, because it displays a level of public cynicism that is alarming in any politician. During her unsuccessful 2008 primary contest with then-Senator Barack Obama. Hillary Clinton sought to “prove” her physical courage by repeatedly claiming in a number of stump speeches that she had braved sniper fire in Tuzla during the war in Bosnia. As she stated on one occasion, “I remember landing under sniper fire. There was supposed to be some kind of a greeting ceremony at the airport, but instead we just ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles to get to our base.”

When news footage emerged clearly showing no sniper fire or even a whiff of threatening activity as Hillary Clinton emerged from her aircraft, it became clear that the aspiring presidential hopeful had flat-out fabricated the story of her heroism under fire out of whole cloth. Caught in a lie, Mrs. Clinton claimed that because she was fatigued from the rigors of a long campaign she had merely “misspoke.” In my view, her oft-repeated epoch of contrived courage was too specific to be a case of misspeaking, but is a clear indication of Hillary Clinton’s capacity for engaging in untruths as a matter of political expediency.

and that’s all you have? I was promised a good frothing OUTRAGE session and this is all you give me? c’mon Sheldon. surely you can do better. this isn’t something remotely criminal.
“When truth is replaced by silence, the silence is a lie.”–Yevgeny Yevtushenko

There is a stigma about admitting that – which is more the sociological aspect endemic to the culture on the web – certainly on American. It’s like …fearing being a pariah or something. It’s probably why I am less popular on this forum, because I don’t care. I really don’t – I say it like it is, or I see it. That sometimes falls favorably, other times, excites flames. Oh well – those that can’t take reality can go f them selves. I’m too heady to cave into that provincial lust that can’t handle the truth. That said, just because the existence of #1 is there, and one says it, shouldn’t incur the wrath of the popular, INCORRECT, voice.–Typhoon Tip
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#19 Hillary Clinton Presidential Campaign: post #19 shaggy Posted 12 April 2015 – 07:02 PM
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So what in his article I linked was wrong? I see he has some absurd stuff about her being nude or something? Not sure what THAT has to do with his assertions in the link I provided?

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#20 Hillary Clinton Presidential Campaign: post #20 shaggy Posted 12 April 2015 – 07:02 PM
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Rjay, on 12 Apr 2015 – 6:20 PM, said:
I’m not a huge Hillary fan but dam Shag…You really need to link me up for this one.

When I get home from work i’ll explain my comment better.

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#21 Hillary Clinton Presidential Campaign: post #21 Brewbeer Posted 12 April 2015 – 07:10 PM

Home Brewing

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shaggy, on 12 Apr 2015 – 7:02 PM, said:
…he has some absurd stuff about her being nude …

With a cover like that its clear he doesn’t want to be taken seriously by at least half the electorate.
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#22 Hillary Clinton Presidential Campaign: post #22 wxtrix Posted 12 April 2015 – 07:13 PM

I am an unpopular electric eel in a pool of catfish.

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2. Hillary Clinton was a full partner with her husband in unethical conduct during the presidency of Bill Clinton. A prime example is what happened at the very end of the Clinton presidency, when a series of questionable presidential pardons were granted that were so outrageously incongruent, the whole episode came to be known as “Pardongate.”

technically “came to be known BY WINGERS as “Pardongate”. here in non-winger land, in that Clinton’s pardons were on par with Reagan’s and I don’t see Sheldon yammering on about how suspicious those were, it was “business as usual”:

http://en.wikipedia….s#Ronald_Reagan

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Among the rogues gallery of pardon recipients courtesy of President Clinton were four convicted swindlers from the town of New Square in Rockland County, New York. The largely Hassidic community of New Square voted for Hillary Clinton in her 2000 senatorial campaign in overwhelming numbers, at the behest of community leaders. Shortly after her successful senate campaign, Hillary Clinton joined her husband for a private White House meeting with supporters of the convicted New Town swindlers.

Though she has never revealed what was discussed — or promised — during the closed door meeting, Hillary Clinton maintained that she had no prior knowledge of her husband’s intentions on granting presidential pardons to the four swindlers from New Square. However, the feeling of disgust that arose in the wake of Pardongate became pervasive and non-partisan. Then a liberal columnist for the New York Times, Bob Herbert wrote in a column published on February 26, 2000:
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You can’t lead a nation if you are shamed of the leadership of your party. The Clintons are a terminally unethical and vulgar couple, and they’ve betrayed everyone who has ever believed in them.
Sheldon, you left out the part where there wasn’t enough evidence to bring any charges. but that’s as good as guilty to wingers!
oh, one more thing: Bob Herbert is a Clinton hater. super-duper Clinton hater. super “non-partisan” source to use to prove you’re not a partisan yourself.

“When truth is replaced by silence, the silence is a lie.”–Yevgeny Yevtushenko

There is a stigma about admitting that – which is more the sociological aspect endemic to the culture on the web – certainly on American. It’s like …fearing being a pariah or something. It’s probably why I am less popular on this forum, because I don’t care. I really don’t – I say it like it is, or I see it. That sometimes falls favorably, other times, excites flames. Oh well – those that can’t take reality can go f them selves. I’m too heady to cave into that provincial lust that can’t handle the truth. That said, just because the existence of #1 is there, and one says it, shouldn’t incur the wrath of the popular, INCORRECT, voice.–Typhoon Tip
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#23 Hillary Clinton Presidential Campaign: post #23 wxtrix Posted 12 April 2015 – 07:13 PM

I am an unpopular electric eel in a pool of catfish.

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shaggy, on 12 Apr 2015 – 7:02 PM, said:
So what in his article I linked was wrong? I see he has some absurd stuff about her being nude or something? Not sure what THAT has to do with his assertions in the link I provided?

serious question: do you have a reading problem?
“When truth is replaced by silence, the silence is a lie.”–Yevgeny Yevtushenko

There is a stigma about admitting that – which is more the sociological aspect endemic to the culture on the web – certainly on American. It’s like …fearing being a pariah or something. It’s probably why I am less popular on this forum, because I don’t care. I really don’t – I say it like it is, or I see it. That sometimes falls favorably, other times, excites flames. Oh well – those that can’t take reality can go f them selves. I’m too heady to cave into that provincial lust that can’t handle the truth. That said, just because the existence of #1 is there, and one says it, shouldn’t incur the wrath of the popular, INCORRECT, voice.–Typhoon Tip
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#24 Hillary Clinton Presidential Campaign: post #24 winterymix Posted 12 April 2015 – 07:15 PM

PROUD

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Big deal about the trite dos and donts of Hillary, the other
party has no answer.

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#25 Hillary Clinton Presidential Campaign: post #25 wxtrix Posted 12 April 2015 – 07:15 PM

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3. As a U.S. senator, Hillary Clinton became complicit in America’s disastrous war in Iraq. The most important vote Hillary Clinton cast during her two terms as United States senator from New York was undoubtedly Senate Joint Resolution 45, which authorized President George W. Bush to unleash military force against Iraq at any time, without further consultation with Congress, let alone a declaration of war. The disastrous impact of that hideous example of strategic miscalculation is still with us, witnessed by the tectonic convulsions ripping the Arab world, and the rise of the Islamic State, which emerged out of the caldron created by the U.S. invasion of Iraq in 2003.

At the time of her vote in favor of instigating America’s war in Iraq, Hillary Clinton boasted that her decision was based on “careful consideration.” If this calamitous decision is the best that Hillary Clinton is capable of, that alone should raise serious questions about her suitability to serve as America’s Commander-in-Chief.

here’s he’s got a point. she was the only US Senator who was in favor of the war, she single-handedly renamed French Fries in the Capital cafeteria, and she started numerous wars as Secretary of State. oh, wait…

but yeah, Sheldon definitely makes an airtight case against Hillary Clinton. mmmhmmm.
“When truth is replaced by silence, the silence is a lie.”–Yevgeny Yevtushenko

There is a stigma about admitting that – which is more the sociological aspect endemic to the culture on the web – certainly on American. It’s like …fearing being a pariah or something. It’s probably why I am less popular on this forum, because I don’t care. I really don’t – I say it like it is, or I see it. That sometimes falls favorably, other times, excites flames. Oh well – those that can’t take reality can go f them selves. I’m too heady to cave into that provincial lust that can’t handle the truth. That said, just because the existence of #1 is there, and one says it, shouldn’t incur the wrath of the popular, INCORRECT, voice.–Typhoon Tip
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#26 Hillary Clinton Presidential Campaign: post #26 Supercane Posted 12 April 2015 – 07:25 PM
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wxtrix, on 12 Apr 2015 – 7:15 PM, said:
here’s he’s got a point. she was the only US Senator who was in favor of the war, she single-handedly renamed French Fries in the Capital cafeteria, and she started numerous wars as Secretary of State. oh, wait…

but yeah, Sheldon definitely makes an airtight case against Hillary Clinton. mmmhmmm.

Has Hillary Clinton ever opposed any military action taken by any of the past 3 presidents? I can’t think of any. She supported her husband’s interventions in the Balkans, she supported GWB in Afghanistan and Iraq, as SOS she was a strong proponent of the Libya intervention (which hasn’t exactly turned out well for us), and she favored military action in Syria as well. I think it’s perfectly fair to question her hawkish tendencies.

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#27 Hillary Clinton Presidential Campaign: post #27 wxtrix Posted 12 April 2015 – 07:34 PM

I am an unpopular electric eel in a pool of catfish.

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Supercane, on 12 Apr 2015 – 7:25 PM, said:
Has Hillary Clinton ever opposed any military action taken by any of the past 3 presidents? I can’t think of any. She supported her husband’s interventions in the Balkans, she supported GWB in Afghanistan and Iraq, as SOS she was a strong proponent of the Libya intervention (which hasn’t exactly turned out well for us), and she favored military action in Syria as well. I think it’s perfectly fair to question her hawkish tendencies.

of course it’s fair. but that’s not what that link did.

“When truth is replaced by silence, the silence is a lie.”–Yevgeny Yevtushenko

There is a stigma about admitting that – which is more the sociological aspect endemic to the culture on the web – certainly on American. It’s like …fearing being a pariah or something. It’s probably why I am less popular on this forum, because I don’t care. I really don’t – I say it like it is, or I see it. That sometimes falls favorably, other times, excites flames. Oh well – those that can’t take reality can go f them selves. I’m too heady to cave into that provincial lust that can’t handle the truth. That said, just because the existence of #1 is there, and one says it, shouldn’t incur the wrath of the popular, INCORRECT, voice.–Typhoon Tip
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#28 Hillary Clinton Presidential Campaign: post #28 jburns Posted 12 April 2015 – 07:36 PM
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” “Hillary Clinton Nude” presents a non-partisan yet passionate case against a second Clinton presidency. Author Sheldon Filger has written a bombshell of a political book,…………”

:axe:

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#29 Hillary Clinton Presidential Campaign: post #29 StudentOfClimatology Posted 12 April 2015 – 07:49 PM
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I’m not voting for Shrillary-Wallstreet-Clinton. What right-minded progressive would?
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#30 Hillary Clinton Presidential Campaign: post #30 greenskeeper Posted 12 April 2015 – 08:01 PM

Gunga galunga…gunga gunga galunga.

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wxtrix, on 12 Apr 2015 – 6:57 PM, said:
what about the same DOPES who refused to vote for the first black president because he’s black being the same DOPES who won’t vote for Hillary because she’d be the first female president? any deep thoughts for us on that quandary?
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/clinton-begins-the-2016-campaign-and-its-a-toss-up/
his “views for America”. megalolz.

typical LIBERAL DOPE argument

I’d keep playing. I don’t think the heavy stuff’s gonna come down for quite awhile.

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#31 Hillary Clinton Presidential Campaign: post #31 wxtrix Posted 12 April 2015 – 08:10 PM

I am an unpopular electric eel in a pool of catfish.

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StudentOfClimatology, on 12 Apr 2015 – 7:49 PM, said:
I’m not voting for Shrillary-Wallstreet-Clinton. What right-minded progressive would?
the kind that knows there could be potentially 5 Supreme Court nominations in the next 10 years.

“When truth is replaced by silence, the silence is a lie.”–Yevgeny Yevtushenko

There is a stigma about admitting that – which is more the sociological aspect endemic to the culture on the web – certainly on American. It’s like …fearing being a pariah or something. It’s probably why I am less popular on this forum, because I don’t care. I really don’t – I say it like it is, or I see it. That sometimes falls favorably, other times, excites flames. Oh well – those that can’t take reality can go f them selves. I’m too heady to cave into that provincial lust that can’t handle the truth. That said, just because the existence of #1 is there, and one says it, shouldn’t incur the wrath of the popular, INCORRECT, voice.–Typhoon Tip
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#32 Hillary Clinton Presidential Campaign: post #32 wxtrix Posted 12 April 2015 – 08:11 PM

I am an unpopular electric eel in a pool of catfish.

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greenskeeper, on 12 Apr 2015 – 8:01 PM, said:
typical LIBERAL DOPE argument
sick burn coming from someone who thinks Obama is a America-hating socialist.

“When truth is replaced by silence, the silence is a lie.”–Yevgeny Yevtushenko

There is a stigma about admitting that – which is more the sociological aspect endemic to the culture on the web – certainly on American. It’s like …fearing being a pariah or something. It’s probably why I am less popular on this forum, because I don’t care. I really don’t – I say it like it is, or I see it. That sometimes falls favorably, other times, excites flames. Oh well – those that can’t take reality can go f them selves. I’m too heady to cave into that provincial lust that can’t handle the truth. That said, just because the existence of #1 is there, and one says it, shouldn’t incur the wrath of the popular, INCORRECT, voice.–Typhoon Tip
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#33 Hillary Clinton Presidential Campaign: post #33 NortheastPAWx Posted 12 April 2015 – 08:14 PM

Made the Penguins Great Again

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StudentOfClimatology, on 12 Apr 2015 – 7:49 PM, said:
I’m not voting for Shrillary-Wallstreet-Clinton. What right-minded progressive would?
Ask Trixie…

Are we really writing signatures or are they…writing us?
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#34 Hillary Clinton Presidential Campaign: post #34 hypatia Posted 12 April 2015 – 08:34 PM
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wxtrix, on 12 Apr 2015 – 6:39 PM, said:
here’s the “non-partisan” cover:

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That is so vile and misogynist.

So are “Shrillary” comments. Because powerful women have “shrill” voices, while powerful men’s voices get called “commanding”. And this is not a completely partisan phenomenon — Sarah Palin and other conservative female politicians have been subjected to sexist treatment as well. Why can’t we simply critique someone on the basis of issues, without resorting to wielding gender or racial (or any other type) of privilege. Wielding privilege — and not substance — to take down a candidate is a blow below the belt. Like, it’s super easy to make fun of Michelle Bachmann for her ridiculous positions, without referring to her “crazy eyes” — so why do it when it’s playing into a hysterical woman trope. Speaking of “crazy eyes”, can’t wait to see all of the “crazy looking” Hillary Clinton photos that will abound. While awkward photos of male politicians are also used in political campaigns, I think it happens a lot more to women. And it plays into ancient tropes about women and their irrational hysteria (plus the expectation that we should be visually appealing at every moment of the day).

I know she is not a perfect person or politician, but that sh-t infuriates me. Can’t wait to see the stream of sexist bullsh-t she will endure in this campaign. And she actually cares about women’s issues and rights, which are being tragically swept under the bus in the current political landscape.
“Nature does not hurry; yet everything is accomplished.”
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#35 Hillary Clinton Presidential Campaign: post #35 Brian5671 Posted 12 April 2015 – 08:41 PM
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she’s a lot better than the current idiot in office…bring it. (although she is bought and paid for just like him) LOL at her saying the deck is still stacked in favor of those at the top, yet she is at the top.
Monica Lewinsky for VP?

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